| Author | Vugarity Is Not Art |
Diane Mustari
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| I nominate to have image number 591225 deleted from this project. I do not believe writing an expletive in a square is any form of art. It is a statement only. This project is of course to make statements through art, BUT this type of nonsense is ruining the reputation of the piece and serious talents involved. At least take out the expletive if anyone should think that the other image is a true form of art. |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Lisa Stevens
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| I have PM'd the artist to invite him to the discussion. Lisa |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
P H
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'What is art?' is a question that can be debated all day.
The open nature of the OMM, I think, encourages self expression by giving each user equal freedom to fill equal sized squares as they so choose, without a benchmark of artistic ability. It is really interesting to see the many ways that people have grasped this freedom.
I do sympathise with contributors who have put outstanding amounts of time and talent into their work, but as the scope of the project is to include all abilities and efforts as contributions then I feel that this is within that scope. I wouldn't have it hanging on my wall, but that's just a matter of taste.
I don't agree that you should prevent people from having only text as their contribution. This can be just as creative and interesting as an image.
I also disagree that expletives should be censored by anything other than the 'child friendly' filter whilst the OMM is on the web. I personally like the position that four-letter words occupy in our language. If only to let others know that you are outraged beyond the bounds of traditional manners and social niceties.
Pip. |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Catie Vercammen-Grandjean
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I don't think the argument is whether or not this 'expletive sample' is art, because that can be argued until the cows come home, but if it is appropriate or not to be in a project for charity. If you do not consider a statement of expletives art, then I suggest that you take a look at some modern art. There are plenty of pieces out there that do just that. Not only are there obscenities, but there are pieces that are done in menstrual blood, mud, fecal matter and other 'unacceptable media.' Trying to discuss whether this is art or not may be a complete waste of time, given the examples that have been approved by gallery owners worldwide.
So perhaps we need to actually discuss whether or not this meets the level of being appropriate for charity purposes. How and why. |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
William Bulmer
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Catie Vercammen-Grandjean wrote:
I don't think the argument is whether or not this 'expletive sample' is art, because that can be argued until the cows come home, but if it is appropriate or not to be in a project for charity.
I completely agree. While it has become increasingly difficult to condemn pieces as bad art or simply not art, this project is about charity, an expression mainly of benevolence, though it can be argued that anger and has it's place here as well, albeit directed towards greed, corruption, and apathy. The appropriateness of the images on TOMM should be judged on how antithetical they are to it's cause.
If it hasn't already happened, someone's bound to put a swastika up, or some other form of racism--or worse--even as a joke. The question we must then ask is, should we have standards and draw the line somewhere, or should we allow every aspect of society to be reflected, even the ugly, hateful ones?
Edited by William Bulmer on 19-12-2006 22:52 |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
P H
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Catie Vercammen-Grandjean wrote:
I don't think the argument is whether or not this 'expletive sample' is art, because that can be argued until the cows come home, but if it is appropriate or not to be in a project for charity.
Interesting view. I hadn't thought about the OMM from the perspective of the charities until now.
I don't think that an artistic agenda in this project can be set by the charities as the OMM is not a commissioned work. The mission statement of the OMM provides the freedom needed for all artistic decisions to be made by the individual contributors. This openness, I think, will benefit the project in the long run, and will consequently better support the charities. |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
P H
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| | Posted on 19-12-2006 22:59 | |
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Thick E. Thick wrote:
The appropriateness of the images on TOMM should be judged on how antithetical they are to it's cause.
I agree, but as I mentioned above I think that the OMM's mission statement is quite clear that it is open to all and contributions are welcome regardless of ability, subject etc. The continued open nature of the project, I feel, will be to the charities benefit overall.
Edited by P H on 19-12-2006 23:00 |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Diane Mustari
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| | Posted on 20-12-2006 01:35 | |
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| If everything here is considered art and there are limitless boundaries, why even have an Images for Deletion category? What a waste of time to discuss something that will not happen. |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Vlad K
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You dont like my art? Let me guess, you are american.. haha haha
You are making a good point.. why have this category? I feel happy that I wasted your time.
Btw, I changed the picture, like it more now? |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
P H
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| | Posted on 20-12-2006 07:54 | |
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Diane Mustari wrote:
If everything here is considered art and there are limitless boundaries, why even have an Images for Deletion category? What a waste of time to discuss something that will not happen.
The deletion board is here to encourage open discussion and gather opinions, rather than having people PM the administrators demadinding removal of squares.
I am just using this thread to give my own opinion on this, as you are your own, and I think it is important there is a place to do this.
As for art, I am not saying that every square in the OMM is 'art' in my view, but that is not what is asked. Contributions of self expression, messages or just a willingness to participate with something is all that is required. |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
P H
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| | Posted on 20-12-2006 09:11 | |
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Vlad K wrote:
You dont like my art? Let me guess, you are american.. haha haha
You are making a good point.. why have this category? I feel happy that I wasted your time.
Btw, I changed the picture, like it more now?
If you have only joined the OMM in order to goad and provoke a paticular group then I think you have missed the point and are wasting your own time, too. |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Laura Dixon
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When I see vulgar / innapropriate / rude squares I always think to myself that the artist must be trying to make a point or have some kind of strong belief to back up his/her drawing. Most of them dont choose the join the discussion and therefore we never really end up knowing what the point of a particular piece is and the discussions move on.
However, Vlad has joined the debate here and that is good to see. He has made it quite clear that he just wants to get a rise out of everyone and is happy to change his square to something even more contriversial.
Some people dont want to spread the love, they want to spread the hate. Vlad is very respresentative of society in that sense!
I think this forum should be an outlet for people that are upset or offended by certain squares but I dont see the point in deleting them really. If we want to create a true picture of society then we need to see the good, the bad and the ugly.
The best thing about this project is that the hate gets contained in a little box and is surrounded by love squares which is quite ironic really. The only way the hate can escape the square is if we give it space and time in the forums and allow ourselves to be upset by it.
Hurrah for the 14,500 beautiful, peaceful, happy squares out there! Let the haters waste their own time and efforts in an attempt to offend. They obviously have nothing better to do 
Edited by Laura Dixon on 20-12-2006 09:32 |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Catie Vercammen-Grandjean
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LSD LSD wrote:Hurrah for the 14,500 beautiful, peaceful, happy squares out there! Let the haters waste their own time and efforts in an attempt to offend. They obviously have nothing better to do
Totally |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Jim
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| Hey, since art is expression, I dont think that images should be deleted simply from expression a certain point of view, even if they are extreme. I think the only good reason for deletion is in the sense of reallocation (idle artists) and preservation of the site (deletion of illegal images) there may be more reasons, but I cant remember them right this second. |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Ray Morgan
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I like Vlad's work it is raw and direct and it is in your face.
For me art is life itself and life is art. |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Ray Morgan
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| Everything is art. |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Jeran Halfpap
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| but should we flag and alert the mods of any vulgar squares for now? |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Aunty Mor
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| I flagged one three times that had the most horrendous porn site attached but its still here!! Problem with flagging is you don't know if they have seen it or not. Cos you get no reply stating their intentions. |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Diane Mustari
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| | Posted on 17-02-2007 16:54 | |
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| Ray, The original piece was not what is posted now. |
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| Author | RE: Vugarity Is Not Art |
Ana Kusicka
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What I learned is that:
Art is what a person makes with the intention of making art.
And it's absolutely one of the most impossible discussions in the world 
(Everyone who comes from an art school can confirm for sure)
But there's one thing absolutely certain: communication and expressing ourselves, if we have skills or not, isn't automatically art.
And there's another thing I'm sure, all this project, and all this small squares composition is a piece of art, we are part of it, and I think it can be more interesting if it shows diversity of all genres, but always with having in mind it's a charity piece ...so it needs content which can be appropriate in a lot of countries which are not so openminded for nudity and extreme political approach
The first goal of this massive artwork is to have the possibilty to communicate a concept without being stopped by one disliked extreme idea. There's a lot of space wherever we want for that, I myself made some erotic or psychostrange comics and paintings which I don't show online because of my younger audience
As usual I tend to be long and boring, what I wanted to say is that I agree with the fact that this is no place for extreme art
But at the end anyone is free to do whatever he wants, ahhh...the sense of freedom 
Edited by Ana Kusicka on 22-02-2007 00:59 |
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