| Author | Anti Emo? |
Sam Law
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I saw this one: 391174
Now, This is two fold actualy, is there a big sentiment of this? maybe should be asking this in project direction actually, anyways...
Yeh, I understand that the person is expressing their opinion, but ... Just want feedback and ideas about it...
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| Author | RE: Anti Emo? |
Alex Holt
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A difficult one to view - its not directly criticising anyone, just the choice of style. Personally I say leave it, besides, I suspect the definition of 'emo' varies from person to person.
As for anti-emo sentiment, I've encountered it before (not that I'm an emo you understand, but I've seen people being derogatory towards them.) However, to be honest its an unfortunate tendancy of humanity that every possible social division will be predjudiced against by someone or other.
They are just being slightly immature, given the chance to be creative they've chosen to be negative towards others. |
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| Author | RE: Anti Emo? |
P H
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Alex Holt wrote:
...to be honest its an unfortunate tendancy of humanity that every possible social division will be predjudiced against by someone or other.
They are just being slightly immature, given the chance to be creative they've chosen to be negative towards others.
Yes, it is a common trait that people express their own identity by making their
views known about other people or groups. Opposition and reaction are healthy parts of human nature, but like anything can be taken to extremes.
I'm not too clear what 'emo' is exactly but I take it to be a music/fashion movement that has begun to be used to form social groups rather than individual preferences. I would like to think that pro or anti emo sentiments were harmless but if combined with other social factors it can become harmful. I'm too young to remember but there were battles in towns and night clubs between mods and rockers, not purely about music of course, but it was the factor that seperated the two groups.
Like Alex said, it seems that most things (music, football team, hair colour even) can be used to define an in-group or an out-group according to the agenda of of an individual or a group. This particular image, I think, is of the harmless variety. Not sure what the fix it means though, as far as I can see it aint broken
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Benjamin Arthur
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This whole experiment is meant to reflect the artists that participate, at least I think I read that somewhere, so if some percentage is "emo" well, I say, so be it. I'm not into controlling what people draw or create, in fact I felt his squre to be more of a waste than any other that actually has some artistic creativity involved. I say if we're removing squares, his should be the first to go. (though I'd hope he would like to draw something) |
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| Author | RE: Anti Emo? |
Jim
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Yeah, there is always going to be opposition to every "type" of person or idea, but the thing is, if we allow someone to be "emo" we should give others the opportunity to express their views as well, reguardless of their stance. I think the same goes for all the statements made here through art, if we allow someone to show something that promotes communism, then it would be unfair to delete someone for displaying something facist.
People on both sides of every argument will get offended at anything that goes against their belief, and if this site is to remain neutral in terms of allowing everyone to express themselves, not just side with whichever supporting group is bigger, or more outspoken. I think this goes for things that I would consider more serious than someone being "emo" or not, things like religion or political standpoints.
If someone wants to have a square that says they are a nazi, anti(insert race/races here), flag-burning, woman-hating, athiest; then let them show that in the square, it shows that these are some of the people in our society, if the person makes the square simply to offend others, then it shows that there are people who like to offend living in our society. This shows the realistic side of life rather than the pristine dream of perfection. |
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| Author | RE: Anti Emo? |
Sam Law
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| | Posted on 11-02-2007 11:22 | |
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Pip Hignett wrote:
I'm not too clear what 'emo' is exactly but I take it to be a music/fashion movement that has begun to be used to form social groups rather than individual preferences.
Emo is basically a macro-movement in teens that basically allows kids, especially males, to actually be open about their emotions and not need to have this macho pretense. Which flies directly in the face of, say, chav ethos which is almost the opposite- men have to be tough, etc. (I'm only speaking from a male perspective because I'm a guy, so it'd be hard or misleading for me to comment ion the gneder divide within the social groups, if any).
Anyways, thanks for all your comments, I really just wanted a discussion about this rather than truely nominating it, I unerstandf that everyone has been given a space to express themselves and I'd prefer everyone to draw anything they want to, regardless- as a social experiment seeing people who still draw negative things (from anti-emo to swastikas) says a lot more about our society that needs recognising than any amount of hearts and love... |
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Alex Holt
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I was writing on a very similar conundrum yesterday: I was starting an artical that I am hoping I'll get on the F-word (a feminist site) regarding the views of women in games (a rather broad topic I know).
The difficulty is in any media balancing accurate protraying to increase awareness with to the extent the fact that portraying somethign will invitably be seen to condone it to an extent.
If we permit a square which says 'kill all (insert religeon/race/sexual orientation/political viewpoint/gender/particular team supporters/age/hair colour/subculture/etc here) are we seen to condone it? Conversely, by blanket banning something are we seen to just put our head in the clouds and pretend it doesnt exist?
For example, I know Mavel has come under criticism in recent years because they've completly banned portrayal of smoking in their comics, which although it sounds a good idea means that it does not bring any awareness of the issues. Its an incredibly fine line, and with a project such as this....falling off either side could easily be disasterous for the project: admittedly aloofness would be more tolerable to an extent, yet still no publicity.
The only things I can think of are a)try and encourage postive work, rather than hateful work and b ) if we do get hateful work, perhaps some kind of system where they are forced to discuss their beliefs here on the forum or risk deletion - its probably a bit idealistic for me to say so, but we might even get some to change their minds...
And Isaac: I can't help but be slightly amused - I was never aware that atheists had quite the same connotations as 'women haters' and 'Nazis' lol. I'm certainly an atheist, but conversely I probably adhere to religeous values bcause they corrolate with my own personal code, where as many of the christians I know are technically by their own doctorine, far more sinnful, an irony I can't help but love. The closest I get to any of the others is a mild scorn of strong patriotism, lol. And I know you didn't mean it that way, lol, its just how it looks like it came out.
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| Author | RE: Anti Emo? |
Sam Law
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If we permit a square which says 'kill all (insert religeon/race/sexual orientation/political viewpoint/gender/particular team supporters/age/hair colour/subculture/etc here) are we seen to condone it? Conversely, by blanket banning something are we seen to just put our head in the clouds and pretend it doesnt exist?
I don't think so. If you let a person stand on a soap box, are you condoning his actions? No one person can ever speak for more than themselves. Regardless, as long as we have the capacity to express ourselves, we cannot censor everything that anyone ever says. Though to be fair, I can understand some believing it, its just not an idea I subscribe to personally....
I can understand why you want to have people talking about their reasons, but if someone creates an extremely derogatory statement/image, solely for the pure reason of a statement about free speach, or a person who did it because they believed it,, which would then be an acceptable reason? Other than free speach (in either case) I can't see few other reasons that could be acceptable... |
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Khym Nga
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| i think he just wants us to think |
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| Author | RE: Anti Emo? |
Ray Morgan
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I believe evrey single brushstroke mark, sentiment is no more or less important than every other.
A single mark can be the first building block to a great masterpiece, as this project maybe.
So in relevance as i see it a single statement or a persons or non persons mark is as important as a great masterpiece.
What would upset me is hoards of artists jumping on the same bandwagon to morally condemn the few who challenge our view.
But then it is all a matter of opinion.
We as human beings will always find other groups to discriminate against, it is one way in which we find our identities. |
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Ray Morgan
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| | Posted on 15-02-2007 22:44 | |
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| Its all a matter of opinion and out look. |
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| Author | RE: Anti Emo? |
P H
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Sam Law wrote:
Emo is basically a macro-movement in teens that basically allows kids, especially males, to actually be open about their emotions and not need to have this macho pretense. Which flies directly in the face of, say, chav ethos which is almost the opposite- men have to be tough, etc. (I'm only speaking from a male perspective because I'm a guy, so it'd be hard or misleading for me to comment ion the gneder divide within the social groups, if any).
And I thought I had my finger on the pulse of modern youth culture
I found all of the social groups and sub-groups pretty confusing when I was in my teens, and I have no chance of getting a grasp of it now I am a grumpy thirty-something.
The OMM is an education in itself, sometimes
Pip.
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Alisha .L
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| Ha.... oh my goodness... thats a funny picture for some reason. I like the comment that someone said "how can you fix something that has not been broken?" its a very interesting thing. Becides... emo art is not ALWAYS a bad thing... it all depends on the person perspective ya know. |
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| Author | RE: Anti Emo? |
Sam Law
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Pip Hignett wrote:And I thought I had my finger on the pulse of modern youth culture I found all of the social groups and sub-groups pretty confusing when I was in my teens, and I have no chance of getting a grasp of it now I am a grumpy thirty-something. The OMM is an education in itself, sometimes Pip.
Theres loads of sub-cultures- metal heads, industrialers(?), ebmers, cyber punks/goths, punks, goths, emos, skaters, bmxers, bladers, nu-metal heads, chavs, hip hoppers, gangstas, ravers, indies... Well, yeh. Its quite annoying.
But Emo seems to be the one thats the most attacked at the moment by the 'youth culture'; followed by chavs. I don't understand it myself- Emo music is a bit annoying (theres a band that I can't remember, alas, with a song I can't remember, but the lyrics are as follow 'no-one knows what its like to be hurt, to feel pain, to be down like I do'...), but the actual culture is alright, and thee are some really nice peices of work on here that I'd consider Eo, I'll find them and post them in a second... |
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Amelia Lacey
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| its not very artistic is it ? |
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David Kociol
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| Even if one were to try to fix this so-called emo "problem", the maintenance alone would be a devastating waste of time. Mr. Lastname would have been better off in writing "There's not enough contribution to this project" , and even in the scrawling of that message, there would still not be enough effort to merit its acceptance for the OMM, the project should be for doodles and artworks, not signatures and notes. |
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