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Jez V
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For the censors amongst us, an offering:
http://www.theonemillionmasterpiece.com/en/profile-546356
toilet graffitti! but does it have a place in our society? I'll let you decide
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Lisa Stevens
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Don't know about you, but I'm here as a result of sex! I guess it has a pretty important place in most societies  |
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Diana Barthauer
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Haha, that's brilliant reasoning.
As for the actual image. I suggested a smilira one to be deleted a couple of days ago. I was conviced it should stay though. If you're intrerested in the discussion it's here
http://www.theonemillionmasterpiece.com/en/viewthread.php?forum_id=8&thread_id=238
Edited by Paul Fisher on 04-12-2006 12:04 |
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Lisa Stevens
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We can't expect every single person to be fantastically creative/ intelligent/ talented or even grown up.....doesn't mean they can't contribute though. I think it's possible that in a hundred years from now this artwork will be studied as a snapshot into people's lives and what was important to them. Maybe toilet style graffiti will be interesting to them!  |
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Matthew Williams
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Honestly, it's not art. It's ill thoughts and a poor character of an artist or even of a human being.
Unless this is a donation piece I don't think it really deserves to be up here. |
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Lisa Stevens
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| You're right in some ways.....it dosn't have the same artistic merits as the last "obscene" image I commented on, but I think that censorship should be avoided apart from in the severest of cases. We do also have a few months left, so this might not even be their final image.....and if it is....it will be one in a million, it's not as if it will be blown up to a 10x10m square. Just scanning the OMM with less than 10000squares knowing roughly where it is I couldn't find it. |
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P H
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Matthew Williams wrote:
Honestly, it's not art. It's ill thoughts and a poor character of an artist or even of a human being.
How do you judge what is art? And how do you judge an artist from their work?
In my opinion, art should be contemplated as distinct from the artist, in much the same way that an actor is not the character that they portray. In this case the artist has very little detail on their profile so the square has nothing by way of an eplanation.
As for the image itself, it is quickly and crudely drawn. The subject matter is similar to the toilet-wall graffiti discussed above and in an earlier thread.
So if the question is 'Should these factors disqualify something as being art?' Then my opinion is 'no'. By doing so you are discriminating against a lot of images that share a level of ability or share a subject.
Also, it is purely subjective what it is that causes offence in a piece of art. As I said in the thread mentioned above, I feel that you get more out of the experience of being offended if you contemplate 'why' than if you call for censorship and denying others the opportunity to make that decision for themselves.
But I do agree with the distinction you made between artists and human beings
Pip.
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Lisa Stevens
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| Maybe if an image is discussed with the intention of censorship we shoul invite the artist to the forum....they do not necessarily know that it exists. Then they have the option of explaining their image, defending it, or even altering it if they wish to do so....It only seems fair.... |
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P H
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Lisa Stevens wrote:
Maybe if an image is discussed with the intention of censorship we shoul invite the artist to the forum....they do not necessarily know that it exists. Then they have the option of explaining their image, defending it, or even altering it if they wish to do so....It only seems fair....
Good idea . None of the artists of the images that have been nominated for deletion have entered any of the discussions so far. It would be good to get more of an insight into the image from the artists themselves.
Perhaps we should PM them with an invite/link to the thread at which their image is being discussed.
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P H
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| I have PM'd the artist with an invitation to join this discussion. |
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Graham Petrie
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| Interesting point above from Matthew Williams regarding whether this image was a donation piece, worthy of a discussion in its own right, can tolerance be brought for £3.50? If a donation piece is banned, does the donator have their money returned? I personally agree with the child-friendly approach, children must be protected, but censorship amongst adults can be very subjective and should be avoided. |
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Steph Haase
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| Much as though I think there is nothing wrong with the concept, there is after all nothing wrong with sex, I don't know if it's the world's best representation of it. It's certainly amateurish. |
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Dave Shaw
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Personally, I think it's amusing. There's something humorous to it - whether intentional or not. And I agree. There have been plenty of instances (perhaps more than is worth to elaborate) of shocking art through the decades which - over time - have become commonplace. Take modernism for example; when impressionism was at its infancy, it was considered an insult to institutional and academic art. Now, we think nothing of it.
Art is about self-expression, exploration, and communication. It is also about pushing the boundaries of what we hold to be true. And because of that, not all art is aesthetic and comfortable. I once watched an artist beat a dead chicken against a cello. Feathers and blood were splattering everywhere, and limbs were ripping off. I think that is more taboo than a depiction of reproduction. |
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Heidi F
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In reality I dont like the idea of deleting any of the worx, offensive or otherwise. I mean one cant really do that much harm with the limited tools and small space provided, and there is the "child safe" box, though chances are this image was drawn by a minor anyway.
EVERYTHING submitted is a snapshop of our global community, whether it be a thought, a powerful statement, doodles and scribbles, juvenille toilet graffiti, or an artistic masterpiece. All the images represent a concept. Whether that is the concept intended by the artist or not, doesnt matter. I think the only images that should be considered for removal are those depicting child porn.
Albeit crude, pieces such as this one represent a personality, an artistic style, shock value, discovery, reality, and most likely immaturity, amongst other things. Are we saying that these concepts shouldnt be represented in the OMM? Who are we to dictate what images of society are represented?
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Alex Holt
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| I agree with you on the most part, although I would add sexism, racism, homophobia, religeous intolerance or threats to specific individuals to child porn for things that should be considered for removal, and I suspect those are probably more likely to appear than child porn... However they can also be harder to define, anyhow in this instance, much as this kind of stuff makes me roll my eyes in dispair at peoples mentality, I say keep because it is not directly offending anyone unless you are very prudish, its just a slightly juvenile image depicting somethign that probably dictates a lot more of society that most people realise, its a fact of life. |
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P H
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Alex Holt wrote:
I agree with you on the most part, although I would add sexism, racism, homophobia, religeous intolerance or threats to specific individuals to child porn for things that should be considered for removal, and I suspect those are probably more likely to appear than child porn... However they can also be harder to define..
I think that you have hit the nail on the head when you say that these things can be hard to define. A piece that depicts some form of, say, racial intolerance - is it promoting racial abuse or raising awareness to its existence? Without support from the artist many images say different things to different viewers.
Pip.
Edit:
Errrrmm... Maybe some are clearer than others  & 
http://www.theonemillionmasterpiece.com/en/profile-522365
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Dave Shaw
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| That one doesn't even deserve the one star you gave it. Sad. |
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Alex Holt
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| That is rather.....overt... in its message.... and very clearly in a set point of view. I can't think of any decent reason for that one to stay.... It's a shame that there are people who actually think like that.... |
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P H
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Dave Shaw wrote:
That one doesn't even deserve the one star you gave it. Sad.
I was hoping that a one-star rating would bring the average down overall rather than add to it's value.
Maybe my comment should stand by itself.
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Lisa Stevens
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I can't imagine anyone would rate it any higher Pip! Maybe you could just add 0/5 to your comment, although I would imagine they got the point.
I was thinking about the sort if images I would find offensive and be candidates for deletion.....I guess this is the sort of thing I was thinking of. It's a shame there are people that can't live without having to comment on other people's lifestyles, but I guess if you're inviting the whole world to join a project, there's bound to be one sad individual who obviously would rather share hatred and misses the whole point. |
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